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1 00:00 Let's talk! 00:37
2 00:37 Sponsor: Tiger Data 01:38
3 02:15 Karate & Friends 04:04
4 06:19 Why Karate 03:54
5 10:12 35 00:55
6 11:07 Karate Kid 05:35
7 16:42 Switching teams 00:55
8 17:38 Sponsor: Augment Code 01:38
9 19:16 Not Arch btw 04:16
10 23:32 Arch kills SV 01:27
11 24:59 The 4 DIMM problem 02:25
12 27:23 Fedora 43 01:23
13 28:46 KDE things 00:46
14 29:33 Queueing a stop 03:33
15 33:06 Adobe alternatives 05:21
16 38:27 Mac-like Linux 01:11
17 39:38 Blender 01:36
18 41:14 Linux on the rise 01:52
19 43:06 Distro "hopping" 03:36
20 46:42 Ricing 03:00
21 49:41 Indie Mac software 04:26
22 54:07 Sponsor: Depot 02:43
23 56:50 Sponsor: Framer 01:51
24 58:41 Not a power user 01:38
25 1:00:19 Jerod wears a shirt 00:39
26 1:00:58 Lars on Nerves 10:16
27 1:11:13 ZimaBoard 03:57
28 1:15:10 Greenhouse sensor 00:57
29 1:16:07 Home Assistant 01:41
30 1:17:48 Why Raspberry Pi 02:08
31 1:19:56 Tinker time 04:08
32 1:24:04 Older Pis 00:24
33 1:24:28 Jerod's Pi use case 01:21
34 1:25:48 Observability 04:02
35 1:29:50 Adam's Plex idea 02:47
36 1:32:37 n8n 02:01
37 1:34:38 Muddy license waters 01:55
38 1:36:33 Stand-ups 01:20
39 1:37:52 Getting started 05:33
40 1:43:26 Freedom to play 03:28
41 1:46:54 Lars URLs 01:48
42 1:48:42 Bye, friends 00:16
43 1:48:57 Next week on the pod 01:27

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We have Lars Wikman with us. We’re friendsing with Lars.

He missed the #define champs game…

Oh, yeah. That was a bummer.

But so did Carol. So you know, was it really a champs game if Carol Lee PhD isn’t there? I mean… She’s been wiping the floor with most people. It was a good game, though. It came all the way down to the wire. We had to do a last second tiebreaker, which we weren’t ready for… And Matthew outlasted Taylor in the tiebreaker. But you’re here now, so here’s a word that you must define – no, just kidding.

But welcome. Welcome anyways.

You’re fresh off of – what is this, ninjutsu class, or something?

Karate. It’s different, right? Jujitsu and karate is way different.

Right. What’s the difference?

Yeah, it’s all from the vicinity of Japan, I would say.

Jujitsu has roots, I believe, in Japan. I think it originated there, but it’s resurgence, to my knowledge - and I could be wrong - is from Greece; the guy who went to Argentina, or South America somewhere, and had this whole new resurgence for jujitsu.

Brazilian jujitsu. Is that a flavor?

Now, I don’t claim to be an expert. So when I say that, I’m not arguing…

Well, let’s let Lars tell us the…

So jujitsu, to my knowledge, comes entirely from Japan, and most fighting in Japan comes from China, so it’s history all the way back… But that’s usually called traditional jujitsu at this point, because BJJ, Brazilian jujitsu, has been so popular. And yeah, that’s what’s dominating the MMA, and all that.

Precisely. A much better version than I gave. My son was in jujitsu for a little bit. He loved it, I loved it for him… I love it especially for young folks, because – I think in particular it trended for us because kids don’t have a lot of… There’s a lot of bullying, confidence, and just knowing how to stand up for a friend even, was a lot of it. It wasn’t about fighting, it was about how to deal with an attack on you, and really how to disarm somebody; really how to squash a scenario versus escalate it into something that shouldn’t be. And I think for kids, in particular my kid and the kids that were around there, it was super-cool with just giving them some confidence at like six, seven, eight years old. I said six, seven, okay?

But… Do you get that, Lars? Do you understand that six, seven reference?

Oh yeah, yeah. I’ve got traces of it. I don’t –

He has little kids. Right, Lars? You’ve got like toddlers, right?

Yeah, but six, seven is a specific internet thing and I don’t recall what it is.

It’s an internet thing, but it also went beyond the internet, to where almost everybody now, at least in the States…

Here in America, man, you can’t say the digits six and then the digit seven afterwards without getting some kids saying “six, seven”. And I’m not going to do it, because I’m not a child, but there you go.

Have you ever snickered at a 69 reference, or a 420?

I mean, I’m 46, dude. Yeah, of course.

Those are our generation’s “six, seven”, basically, you know?

Yeah. I mean, I can’t look at the number 69 without thinking like a child, like an adolescent.

There’s one proper response. There’s just one proper response.

And now they’ve added “six, seven” to the list. Eventually, all numbers will have been covered by memes, and we won’t even be able to say any number without some sort of reference.

That’s right. Well, 42 - we have our own nerdy reference there, right? 42.

Yeah, 42. That’s what we need, is a big lookup table in the sky. Just like – well, we have one. It’s called “Know your meme”, or whatever that website is. There’s your lookup table.

Tell me why karate for you, Lars, because you’re not a child… Adam consigned it to children, but he was not being…

Yeah. I’ve done martial arts a little bit in the past. I’ve done Muay Thai, which is more sports-oriented, but I mostly did for exercise… But I really enjoyed it. Went to Thailand, trained for a month there… Tons of fun. Then kind of fell out of it for a long time. My wife, after giving birth to two kids, wanted to sort of find a way to consistently work out and get back into shape, and she flourishes in a group training scenario. So she looked around for karate. Went to a club, has really enjoyed it, she’s done for like three years now… And something I’ve come to realize about karate specifically, and some martial arts are like this, some are not, where they build a bit of community around the club. Some sports are like this, some are not. For some things you just show up, do the thing, and then you leave… And sure, you connect with a few people there, but there’s part of karate which is cultural, and the intent is to also change how you are as a person a little bit. It’s like, we take care of each other, there’s a lot of respect involved, we take care of the place we are at… There’s a culture that is – you’re just trying to build a very small, specific community, with just some shared values, which is a tricky thing to find sometimes.

[00:07:58.25] And I saw that that was part of it. And I’d heard people talk about karate this way before. Karate has never been top of the list of what I wanted to learn… But I figured I’d give it a shot because I think it would benefit me and my wife, but also because I saw the potential for – so I have a kid, three and five; two kids, three and five. Those numbers are probably safe still.

They mean something to me, actually. Three, five. I’ll leave that out of here for now, but I’ll tell you later. They do mean something for me. They’re really emotionally triggering for me, in a positive way.

No, very good. I love three, five.

Okay. Yeah, you’re welcome. But I see – like, in a few years, one of them can start; or maybe they can start early. It depends. But essentially, get them into something which is a circumstance that has a little bit of discipline to it. It’s a very soft discipline, but it’s like, you line up, you bow; there’s ritual to it. That’s something that a lot of kids – like, I would have benefited from that as a young one, because it’s just not how I typically behave… But I would respect it in that circumstance. And it would have been beneficial to me to get into exercise that early, to get into learning how to control my own body, how to behave, figuring that stuff out in a fairly safe environment early on. And it can be something that we potentially can do as a family. But we’ll see how that pans out. No plan survives contact with children.

I think Mike Tyson said that, right?

Okay. [laughs] The art of children in war.

Tyson said something similar. Yeah, that’s a fact… You certainly never know what’s going to happen, what they’re going to like, what they’re going to not like.

I think it’s the punch in the face. Everyone says something until you get punched in the face…

Yeah. Tyson. “Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face”, or something to that effect.

Yeah, there you go. We’re a good team then. We all had half of it. Yeah. For me, 3-5 was – just to close the loop. When I was in the military, I was part of a team, I suppose… We had armor, and we had fuel. And fuel was 3, and armor was 5. The classification, in terms of how you classify those resources. And so the unit I was in was a 3-5 unit. And so for me, it was very core to my military experience, and really my entire career there was part of a 3-5 unit and what we did. And so that’s why it was cool for me. I like 3-5. I’m down for 3-5, man.

Unfortunately, my children will grow out of it and eventually it’ll be 6-7, I suppose.

Yeah, 6-7 is coming. Well, at least for a certain part of the year. Then it’ll be 6-8, right?

From inside the karate community, perhaps - I’m not sure if you consider yourself inside at this point, or just visiting, or…

How do people react to Karate Kid? Is it beloved? Is it hated because it’s not real karate, or is it real karate, and they like it? Because my whole experience as a child with karate was through Daniel LaRusso, and that whole experience. I would have never even had a touchpoint with karate had it not been for that movie. And so to a certain extent, I think it probably brought it to a lot of people who didn’t know about it otherwise. But maybe sometimes if you’re trying to build a small community of people that care about a certain thing, here comes a bunch of people who wouldn’t necessarily care about it, and now they’re trying to do it… Do you have any insight into that, or would you just be guessing?

I mean, I think karate has probably benefited a bunch from Cobra Kai. I don’t know if you’ve seen the TV series, but that is a phenomenal sort of revisit of Karate Kid.

Where they even pull in all the original actors for reprising their roles.

[00:12:03.24] They did a great job with that. They closed the loop on so many desires I had for that storyline… They revisited it, they gave backstory, where we don’t normally have backstory to the villain… So there was even a lot of theories that were proven correct, or proven false by the traversing of the history, and even fleshing it out and whatnot… So I think that’s kind of cool.

Yeah. Johnny got his comeuppance…

But I think Karate Kid is generally decently appreciated. I think opinions vary a lot, and I think a lot of people really don’t like the Will Smith’s kids version.

But the original one - it at least had done some research, because Mr. Miyagi… I mean, one of the forefathers of karate, if not the forefather - it’s the one we have a picture of in the dojo. Chojun Miyagi is his name. Or was his name. And that’s not an accidental reference…

I mean, in Karate Kid 2 they go to Okinawa… The crane kick, and that kind of stuff… They’re references.

Why would you standing on one foot and then jumping to the other foot cause so much power to come out of your body? That was always what I wanted to know.

You can always take that as a metaphor for like “Balance is the key to successfully doing karate”, or whatever. But I think people have a soft spot for that movie. I did Muay Thai. Kickboxer is probably the most seen ’80s iteration of that. That one is terrible. Jean-Claude Van Damme –

Jean-Claude Van Damme, yeah.

Yeah. His brother gets killed in the beginning. Then he goes to train with a – I believe it’s an old Chinese man in the jungles of Thailand, who teaches him… I mean, Jean-Claude does karate, actually. And he was a kickboxer, so fair enough. That’s what that is, usually. But he’s supposedly learning Muay Thai by doing Kung Fu, with a Chinese man in Thailand. It’s very strange. And then he fights a very scary, apparently Thai fighter… But I believe that actor is Mongolian, and huge, which is not typical of Thai people. It’s a wild, wild sort of mismatch. Muay Thai people tend to like – is it Ong Bak it’s called?

I don’t remember that one.

Yeah… Because that references older Muay Thai history and the Muay Boran, which is a [unintelligible 00:14:56.16] version of Muay Thai.

Was Kickboxer the one where Jean-Claude does the splits, and his feet are like up on something?

Oh, yes. I mean, he does a lot of splits in that one. And he also dances.

You should look at the clip and determine for yourself. [laughter] He certainly can do a type of dance… I don’t know if I appreciate it, but it’s… I kind of appreciate it now. I don’t know if I did then.

Right. He was one of my least favorite action heroes of that time period. I just never – I just didn’t feel like the guy had very much charisma compared to the others… But that was just my –

I would say I prefer him to Steven Seagal.

Okay, but does he count even? [laughter] Okay, if we’re counting Steven Seagal, then I can’t put Jean-Claude down to the bottom. You’re right.

And the thing is I come from the same town as Dolph Lundgren.

Yeah. Tell us [unintelligible 00:15:53.03] Well, say more about him living in your town. Is he still around?

I don’t believe so… I mean, he probably has some touch points there, family there…

Is he the most famous person from your town?

I don’t know. No, probably hockey players from that region…

Yeah. We have some decent hockey players we’ve exported. NHL players.

[00:16:18.27] No. He’s Czech, I believe.

Mario Lemieux? No, he’s Canadian. [laughter]

Now let’s do Wayne Gretzky and then we’ll have named all of the real hockey players that we can think of.

Oh, Forsberg. Red Wings, right?

Yeah. He’s been around a few different places.

Here’s another thing. Let’s complain about the kids, for a moment. And not the kids, but just this current age. Why do the athletes switch teams so much anymore? It used to be you could just have an athlete, he was stuck to a team, whether he liked it or not, and he had to just be a Chicago Bull, or he had to be a Detroit Lion… And you could just rely on that guy being there. Like, Barry Sanders was going to be on the hapless Detroit Lions his entire career, whether he liked it or not, and we could just rest in that, you know? And now it’s like, they just change constantly. It’s hard to even keep up. Alright, old man yells at sports…

Yeah, I don’t follow any sports these days, but I did follow hockey a little bit in my youth. It was more or less mandatory. And fairly interesting at times.

What do you follow? Are you keeping up with Omarchy? Are you keeping up with Arch? Are you keeping up with Nerves? Have you seen the latest Tidewave?

I think I promised that we’d talk about my Arch experience. I wouldn’t touch Omarchy because I’m a radical idealist, and I don’t appreciate DHH’s whole deal. But we don’t have to get into that, because no one’s happy by getting into that. But Arch I used for a hot minute, many, many years ago. So this would be prior to introducing SystemD, probably.

Because I think – I was dual-booting Windows, and I was like “I want a Linux running.” So I installed Arch, because people had spoken really well and highly of it. So I installed Arch, had a good time setting stuff up, things worked, the package manager seemed cool… And I think it felt faster than the Ubuntus I’d been doing. I was like “Yeah, this is promising, it seems straightforward.” I didn’t use it for a bit, because I ended up staying in Windows, I guess, for a while. And then I switched back to it and was like “Yeah, I still have this. Oh, I should probably run some updates.” But I was not aware that the rule and the law of the Arch land is that you have to read all the news about the updates before you apply the updates.

Didn’t come up during the install process, let’s just say…

So I essentially did whatever Pac-Man upgrade, or whatever; did a full-on system upgrade and nothing worked. Then I found some guides and it’s like, okay, I can get now from the prompt to… And if I manually launch it, I can get back into the UI and things. But I could never get GDM, so the GNOME Display Manager to work ever again. And then I left Arch.

And then that was your experience.

Yeah. But I did read a lot of forum threads where people said I should have read the news. So that was helpful.

I was not aware that that was how that system operated. It was like a read-first of type upgrade cycle.

But the wiki is so good, you know? You might as well…

The wiki is really good. I solved a lot of problems in other Linux distros by reading the Arch wiki.

Yeah. I mean, there’s tons. Even when I work on embedded systems, there’s stuff in the Arch wiki that just explains “Oh, this tool works like this, and these are good commands to use for this and that.” It’s very comprehensive, so it’s very good reference documentation, even if it’s not accurate to exactly your system.

I tried Arch one time on a server, and I’ve always been running Debian servers. And all of these people were saying nice things about Arch, and I was like “Well, I’ll just set up this new server with Arch.” And this was probably back in the same time period, because I don’t remember SystemD being there… And of course, I knew SystemD pretty well, and I didn’t know what Arch was doing very well… And I started setting it up and I’m like “What benefits am I gaining from this, besides having tried Arch Linux, versus…?” I think on the desktop, perhaps, and I’m sure the further you go in, the more differences you find, but they were so similar enough where it’s like I can’t think of a single advantage I have. Maybe fresher software, because Debian does stay a little bit stale on its official packages…

But you could grab Ubuntu to get a non-stale Debian.

Right. And normally, all I need is what’s there and it’s fine. Maybe back then the MySQL wasn’t up to date with what Rails was using… Because this was like Ruby on Rails servers. I remember I couldn’t get a system service to set up, and when I rebooted the machine, it just wouldn’t come back online… And I’m just like “Ah, I’m just going to wipe this and start with Debian.” And that was my only Arch experience. It lasted probably four to six hours, and I just was like “Nope, this is a waste of my time.” But I think on the server side, especially back then - it was probably like 2010-ish timeframe, 2012 - there just wasn’t much of a difference. I’m sure on the desktop there’s probably more dramatic differences.

Adam, you’ve been playing around…

Yeah, that’s why my monitor behind me is not on right now, because that’s an Arch Linux system… [laughter] I also did not realize that you had to dedicate at least a half hour or what could be longer than that - because if you’re a shiny objects person, then for me, I am that person, so it might be like a typical 15-minute requirement, 20…

[00:23:53.25] Well, it might derail my brain. It might give me ideas that take me down the Arch lane, versus like – well, similar to what you said, Jerod; like, while I want to use Arch - and I think you should. I think if you’re in the world of Linux, you should try out the distros, and see what works for you. I think that’s part of the Linux journey, is building systems, learning which distros support the system you want to build, and finding the system that best supports what you’re trying to actually accomplish. And I did not know the requirement of Arch, of the hour-ish of weekly maintenance required… The requirement to read the news prior to even applying the updates, and then the bug that can bite you if you don’t, which is what bit me… I also have too much memory in the system. I’m using four DIMMs versus two, and…

Yeah. I mean, why – I should, I should, but the CPU doesn’t have… The AM5 for AMD, that architecture, I guess, has an issue with reading four DIMMs, versus two DIMMs of RAM… Which - I don’t understand how you’re AMD, and you’re beating Intel, and you can’t solve the four DIMM problem? That doesn’t compute with me. I don’t get that at all.

It’s like, ostensibly, they shipped this mainboard architecture.

Yeah. So one would expect…

This is the first time I’ve heard the four DIMM problem. I mean, is this a thing?

Yeah. I mean, it doesn’t make any sense. Especially at – okay, so this is a DDR5, 6,000 megatransfer per second problem. So this is a really fast RAM scenario. And the power requirement, from what I understand, the voltage requirement and the architecture of the CPU to control that is the challenge.

Yeah. It’s not a four DIMM issue generally, it’s because of – it’s the boundary at which the RAM is pushing it. It’s just so fast. I mean, it really is so fast.

So if you did slower RAM, you’d be fine at four sticks, but…

I could dial it back… But what’s the point? What’s the point, right?

Like, get in a Ferrari and drive at Honda Speeds. No, thank you. Okay? That doesn’t make any sense to me. So why would I spend the money on that?

I mean, never underestimate Honda Speeds, is what I’ve learned from the internet.

Okay, sorry about that. Bad reference.

It’s like, pick any other car brand…

Honda Civic speeds. Let me be specific on that front then. Honda Civic Speeds.

Although some Civics can burn, too.

Yeah. I mean, that’s probably the modder’s favorite car, next to a Miata.

Okay, the stock Honda Civic speed. Okay, there we go. Three layers of specificity.

Just pick a different car, man. Like a Prius, or something. Something that we know…

Yeah. So the monitor’s not on because that’s an arch system. I didn’t apply updates, I got bit… Now it won’t even stay on. The fans boot up and it just goes to crazy, and it crashes. And I know it’s a memory issue, it’s not an Arch issue… But it’s Arch, plus memory, plus time I don’t have to fix it and make you all have silicon value there. I will fix it, though, next week. It will be back.

We can just have – you do thumbnails for these, I hope… So you can just have you pointing at the monitor and going “I run Arch, actually…”

“Arch, by the way…” Clip that.

I feel like Arch has kind of played out. If you want to be like a braggy Linux nerd, isn’t Nix the thing?

Gosh… Isn’t that even worse, though? Better, but worse?

More pretentious. But also, it does something different…

Yeah, it does something different. So I don’t want something different. I just want Linux. I want good, solid, stable Linux, with I would say as close to tip packages that are stable.

Why don’t you like Ubuntu?

My actual favorite desktop right now - don’t punch me - is Fedora 43. I’m loving it, man. Fedora 43 is as close as you can get to macOS. It is so nice. I love it.

Is that with Gnome, I assume?

Uh, yes… I don’t know. It’s got the cool stuff, man. It’s whatever comes with Fedora 43.

[00:27:56.09] Last I tried the Gnome window manager, I did not enjoy it… But it’s been a minute. I run an absolutely bastardized – it’s like, I installed Pop!_OS originally… So that came with a Gnome variant at the time. And then I was like “But I hear good things about Regolith.” And you can just install Regolith, and it will kind of slap on top of your Linux system and modify it in various ways.

Regolith was cool, but it wasn’t exactly right for me. I tuned it a bunch, and then I was like “Yeah, there’s some stuff about Gnome that I’m annoyed with. Let’s try KDE.” Like, my system is real weird now, because there’s a lot of Gnome, and there’s a little bit of Regolith, but I’m mainly using KDE. And at some point, I should just switch to - if it’s still a thing - Neon, which is like the KDE project, I believe, maintains an Ubuntu variant that is running KDE.

Oh, okay. Interesting. And does KDE still come with a bunch of other desktop apps? Like Conqueror, for instance? Yeah. That was always my experience back when I was trying different stuff. It was like Gnome –

I believe Amarok is gone.

They all had Ks in them somewhere. And I felt like when I installed or I chose KDE, I wasn’t just getting like a windowing system and some Chrome, I was getting like a suite of apps. And some of them I liked, and other ones I was like…

But that’s true for Gnome as well.

Yeah, maybe I just don’t realize it with Gnome, because it’s the default. At least in the [unintelligible 00:29:27.27]

Yeah, it’s the default for the Linuxes you use, yeah.

I mean, Amarok still had the feature that I wish to see in every music app ever, which is, I guess, just Spotify now. But you could hit – I think you long-pressed or right-clicked the Stop button, and you had the option of queuing a stop to your playlist.

Queuing a stop? What do you mean? Like, stop after this song?

Yeah, it would essentially be like a song, but… Because if you start a playlist, but it’s like “Yeah, I want this song, and then I queue a few songs, and then actually stop after that.” But no. No one wants that.

So like autoplay – it like ends in autoplay.

It’s like, if I want to do that in Spotify now, I’d have to build a playlist, add things to that, start the playlist, and probably disable some smart shuffle that keeps switching on. But it’s just like being able to stop after a few things play back.

It sounds like such a simple thing.

Yeah. But I’ve only ever seen it in Amarok. And Amarok was an amazing music management thing. But no one wants power user features anymore.

It feels like the same thing as a timer. Just say “Stop after 20 minutes.” But you’re saying “Stop after a certain song.” Right?

Yeah. I mean, it’s just like, when you hit this part of the play queue, stop.

Can you give me an example use case of this? Like, when are you – I’m just curious. When are you going to use this?

So whenever I start a playlist on – yeah, let’s say Spotify. I hit the song I want to hear from the playlist first. Then I scroll through the playlist and queue up some other bangers I want. I don’t just randomly listen, usually.

If I see that the rest of the list is kind “Meh…”, not what I want right now, I’d love to just queue a stop after that. Then I don’t have to bother about like turning anything off, or…

But then what happens is you get to silence. And don’t you go think “Ah, I’ve gotta go queue some more stuff”? Is that what you want to do, or are you going to leave?

But usually that would be the end of the session, as it were.

Oh, so you get your sessions timed out using Pomodoro, or what’s going on here? [laughs]

Not Pomodoro-ing my music, no.

“I’ve got three songs and then I’m done coding”, yeah.

I think it was also a consequence of you were scrolling around your music library, and just navigating your collection, queuing things up that you wanted to hear…

…and then it’s like “After these, stop.” So it doesn’t keep playing your entire library because you never knew what ended up in there.

Or it would just go from A, and keep playing.

Yeah, 100%. Or go based on recency, or that kind of stuff. What’s amazing to me is how differently we all use these things.

It’s really kind of wild.

And how tightly they optimize for the common case, which…

…this is something I’ve always appreciated about KDE. Everything’s configurable. It’s a curse, of course. It’s probably hard to maintain, it’s tricky, it requires a particular mindset… But if I want to find a shortcut, you can bet it’s there. If I want to customize the padding of some corner of the world - yeah, sure. You’re going to find it. And there’s just infinity options. I have a tiling window manager set up and it’s just – KWin, I believe the name is. It’s just like the default window manager, and I added a bunch of keyboard shortcuts. I believe that’s what I have, at least.

This is what drives me nuts about Adobe software, which we are stuck with in many ways, is that – and this is a publicly-traded company, right? These guys are making good money, and have been “the best” for years in their particular Pro Tools suite.

Yeah. It’s a professional standard, let’s say.

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. There’s all kinds of keyboard shortcuts, and you can configure them to the hilt. However, it’s not going to remember them for very long… [laughs] It’s going to just lose them in some sort of point upgrade, and some sort of like bad memory, or like cache clear… And everything you put in there is gone. Not just your keyboard shortcuts, but your window configurations, and… Everything. Your templates are gone. Whatever you saved, it’s just gone. And you’re like “Do you know how much money we’re paying for this software on the annual?” It’s insane that they get away with this. But I don’t know where else to go…

I hear – oh, what’s the competitor that just turned free because they got bought by Canva? Affinity.

Right, Affinity. What do you use at Adobe for?

Video production. Premiere Pro…

We use Audition, we use Premiere Pro… Those are the two tools that we use the most.

Yeah. Because you can get DaVinci Resolve for essentially free, or you can pay like a one-time cost.

And guess what? DaVinci Resolve runs on Fedora.

And Linux. Of course, Linux. Which I’m excited about. That’s what I’m trying – I’m trying to make it the year of the Linux desktop here in the Stacoviak household, because…

There at Adam Studio, yeah.

Yeah. Because you’ve got Reaper for audio… And I haven’t played with these enough yet to have the mileage to really advocate for them yet, but I’m hopeful. One, you could build your own system in the Linux world. You don’t have to be stuck with the… I mean, I love Mac hardware, don’t get me wrong. It’s, bar none, some of the most phenomenal innovations ever. It just sucks that you can’t upgrade the system, you don’t own the system, it owns you in lots of ways… I mean, even for an older system, they don’t maintain current operating system support for it, so you’ve got an older, really great system that should still have modern support; it doesn’t have support. So it just frustrates me. But yeah, DaVinci is supported on Linux, and so that’s very hopeful. And DaVinci is really well regarded. I mean, I have lots of friends who swear by it only… Colorists were the first few who migrated. Like, coloring from S-Log, or whatever you might be shooting in, if you’re in a Sony camera, or even in like a Canon log format, going from that log format having a full dynamic range of the color… Coloring in DaVinci is really, really proper. And so it started there. Probably about five or six years ago there was a revolution of migration away from the current standard to DaVinci.

Premiere is known for crashing, so people were – even if they were super-comfortable and knew their workflow super-well, it’s like, but really, they hate this piece of software deeply.

[00:36:19.06] At like a visceral level. Yeah, I’ve used DaVinci… Some of the keyboard shortcuts drive me nuts. And some of the workflows absolutely seem bad *bleep* to me. But overall, it’s very capable. It’s very competent. It’s just not always wired the same way I am; which is, I suppose, fine. I’ve used Reaper for podcasts. Reaper is fine. It’s more suited to music production, but it works fine for podcasts. Podcasts demand fewer things than music, so…

What would you use for podcasts then, if you’re not thinking of Reaper?

I would probably use Reaper, because it’s a better option… Or possibly even Resolve, because you can.

What is the open source one? It’s on Mac as well, but it’s on Linux…

Audacity, yeah. Thank you.

Maybe that has gotten improved. They were supposed to do a bunch of UX work, and stuff… I’ve found Audacity completely incomprehensible most of the time…

But that was years ago. And I believe Tantacrul got involved - a YouTuber - in music.

Oh, okay. You said that very cool. I think it’s a cool person.

I believe there’s this particular melody I should use, but I’m not a regular viewer of his… So it’s like Tantacrul, or something to that effect. I don’t know.

Not even a regular viewer and you’re still getting the melody. He must have a pretty good thing going on.

I looked at it way back and there was a lot of controversy as well, because they kind of took over –

“Whenever you reference my name, I want you to use this particular connotation” – or no [unintelligible 00:37:52.12]

Only say my name, or I’ll sue you.

Just to close the loop too here - I pulled back the