As the creator and long-time maintainer of ESLint, Nicholas Zakas is well-positioned to criticize GitHub’s recent response to npm’s insecurity. He found the response insufficient, and has other ideas on how GitHub could secure npm better. On this episode, Nicholas details these ideas, paints a bleak picture of npm alternatives like JSR, and shares our frustration that such a critical piece of internet infrastructure feels neglected.
- 81 minutes
- Recorded Jan 21, 2026
- Published Jan 29, 2026
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Featuring
- Nicholas C. Zakas – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Bluesky, Mastodon, X
- Adam Stacoviak – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X
- Jerod Santo – Website, GitHub, LinkedIn, Mastodon, X
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Notes & Links
Chapters
| 1 | 00:00 | Welcome to The Changelog | 01:01 |
| 2 | 01:01 | Sponsor: Tiger Data | 02:34 |
| 3 | 03:34 | Start the show! | 01:21 |
| 4 | 04:55 | Recent npm history | 05:12 |
| 5 | 10:07 | GitHub's response | 03:10 |
| 6 | 13:17 | Trusted publishing | 03:12 |
| 7 | 16:28 | What makes it trusted | 03:49 |
| 8 | 20:17 | What they're not doing | 02:36 |
| 9 | 22:53 | Sponsor: Namespace | 01:38 |
| 10 | 24:31 | Misaligned incentives | 03:18 |
| 11 | 27:48 | One big attack away | 03:27 |
| 12 | 31:15 | How staffed is npm? | 02:17 |
| 13 | 33:32 | Is using npm still prudent? | 04:22 |
| 14 | 37:54 | Pre/post install hooks | 09:29 |
| 15 | 47:22 | Verified publishers | 02:56 |
| 16 | 50:19 | Sponsor: Squarespace | 01:23 |
| 17 | 51:42 | JSR and vlt | 05:36 |
| 18 | 57:18 | An Anthropic registry | 06:06 |
| 19 | 1:03:24 | How other ecosystems do it | 05:12 |
| 20 | 1:08:36 | The cool factor | 01:32 |
| 21 | 1:10:07 | The profit incentive | 02:54 |
| 22 | 1:13:02 | Nicholas' work | 02:43 |
| 23 | 1:15:44 | Connecting with Nicholas | 01:07 |
| 24 | 1:16:51 | AI: not just hype | 02:35 |
| 25 | 1:19:26 | Wrapping up | 00:25 |
| 26 | 1:19:52 | Closing thoughts | 01:18 |
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